i don't know whether it's morally defensible defensible. but in terms of national security in terms of self-preservation absolutely has the cia gone beyond its its mandate or beyond a point where. it is now actually hurting its own goals it that that's what that was my sense of the whole you know the guy hang in there with the right torture thing and is that this this is not helping us but it it may help in the short run but it certainly doesn't help in the long run and if you're if you're waging a war for hearts and minds. it's probably counterproductive what has happened to the and again correct me if i mean you know this is about i always thought that the f.b.i. did domestic the cia did international that there was a wall between the two they could communicate to a certain amount extent but they didn't step into each other's territory unless absolutely necessary is that still the case and if one did a system here's why i think it i think i think there is a separation colby was the director of central intelligence when the so-called famil